CAB1: Chat transcript from room: cf cab openforum

Chat transcript from room: cf-cab-openforum
2013-10-30 GMT-08:00
[05:04] Renat @ Altoros1: On behalf of various folks Altoros who wanted to participate in today's meeting, I would like to share summary of preparation for today's call:
[05:04] Renat @ Altoros1: 1.CAB Mission. Can we formalize CAB Mission in one statement? Examples: To promote Cloud Foundry as the open PaaS for enterprise and service providers Or To advise (as the name suggests) Cloud Foundry community on various aspects surrounding If something else - what kind of support and/or advice do members of community want from a non-partisan body associated with an Open Source project? 2.CAB Responsibilities. Can we formalize high-level responsibilities of CAB to support the Mission? Suggested CAB responsibilities: 1.Provide (resources for members of ecosystem to CF mission) 2.Protect (ensure CF longevity as an open project, by putting benefits of the end-users ahead of benefits of parties involved) 3.Promote (software, developers, success stories) 3.CAB Goals. Can we formalize CAB goals? Can some goals have a concrete success criteria? Example: 3.1Provide: Venue around which all members of the ecosystem could comfortable live, grow and contribute (on all aspects of the project, including governance, beyond mailing list and code repos) - cloudfoundry.org?) Clear processes (development, release, roadmap). Is it community driven? Could/should processes have a structure/process beyond discussions on mailing list. Deliver high quality, frequent software releases (success criteria?) Promote: Cloud Foundry as the leading open PaaS software - keep and retain #1 position (Success criteria - # of active contributors, # of deployments, number and size of members of the ecosystem) Deliver high quality, frequent software releases (success criteria?) Ensure interoperability among Cloud Foundry distributions and 3rd party software products (up and down stream) Build a healthy community. Suggested voting do we want broad participation in CAB and CAB activities vs. focused on core project? Grow the ecosystem around Cloud Foundry to strengthen the platform and provide opportunity Protect: Govern Cloud Foundry Core. Success criteria limited scope to core? Definition of Core vs. non-core? Protect the Cloud Foundry brand. Suggested voting should there be a guideline on how the term Cloud Foundry could be used in marketing/positioning pitches of various parties (Yes/No). Can Pivotal, as its owner, make a commitment to act on this (setup/maintain, possibly enforce)? 4.CAB Structure. Can we quantify criteria for new members? Example: 4.1A demonstrated commitment to helping achieve the mission 4.2Demonstrated track record (already completed) and possible new efforts on contributions to Cloud Foundry 4.2.1Demonstrated code contribution and leadership. Identify number of developers contributors, if any 4.2.2Adoption of Cloud Foundry software internally or as embedded into product/service (already available and roadmaps) 4.2.3Demonstrated community development efforts such as education, awareness, organizational support, meetups, conference participation
[05:06] Renat @ Altoros1 uploaded file: CAB_Design_OpenLetter_from_Altoros.docx|56
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[07:01] Dug: fyi - you can add this room as an xmpp/jabber buddy - CF-CAB-OpenForum@soaphub.org
[07:01] Dug: then you can let your IM pop-up a window instead of having to check the browser from time to time
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[07:26] allomov asked for a victim, I choose... Alexander Borovsky
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[07:29] Dug@ibm: help
[07:29] Dug@ibm: FYI - for xmpp users: ?help
[07:30] Dug@ibm: oops
[07:30] Dug@ibm: using +q is the biggie
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[07:54] frans-thamura: greeting all :)
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[07:54] Dug@ibm: howdy!
[07:54] frans-thamura: direct from indonesia, java island, jakarta, waiting to call ..in 5 minutes
[07:55] Dug@ibm: it might help if people add "@..." with their company nae to their nick
[07:55] frans-thamura: represent Cloudfoundry Indonesia User Group.
[07:55] frans-thamura: ok
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[07:55] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: done
[07:55] Colin Humphreys morphed into Colin@Cloud Credo
[07:55] anonymous morphed into James Bayer
[07:56] Yudai@ntt: setting up a call
[07:56] Adrian Colyer morphed into AdrianColyer@Pivotal
[07:56] Yudai@ntt: we have 5 members here
[07:56] Yudai@ntt: sorry, 4 members
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[07:57] Colin@Cloud Credo: The CC/Pivotal London-based team are about to dial in; there's six of us here
[07:57] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: can we dial now? or should we wait 10.00pm (Indonesian time)
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[08:00] anonymous: Note: there's a file that's been uploaded from Altoros
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[08:01] hobbs: .
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[08:01] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: i am inside the conf call
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[08:02] Room information was updated by: anonymous
[08:02] CF community call 1-888-426-6840 or 1-215-861-6239 Participant code: 87517362
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[08:02] Chris Ferris (IBM): The agenda for the call will be as follows: Introductions - members of the CAB will introduce themselves to the community CAB Mission - review of the mission of the Cloud Foundry CAB Incubator Program - Discuss approach to establishing an incubator program, for new projects seeking to be added to cloudfoundry org Community Web Site: cloudfoundry.org - How should we handle content, reviews, commits? Changes that would make it easier to engage/contribute Ways in which one might contribute besides PRs, etc
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[08:03] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: i hear bip bip everytime. is it ok?
[08:03] anonymous5 morphed into Dr Nic
[08:03] anonymous: Keeps you awake :-)
[08:04] jeff@activestate: the beeps are incoming callers
[08:04] andypiper: hello
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[08:04] Yudai@ntt: hi
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[08:04] jeff@activestate: morning from the west coast
[08:04] Kai morphed into Kai Young@IBM
[08:04] Cornelia Davis morphed into Cornelia Davis@Pivotal
[08:04] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: jeff, good night here 10pm here :)
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[08:05] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: weather here, rainiy, and flood in several area of jakarta ;)
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[08:05] ojiri@ntt: 0am JST
[08:05] Dug-FF: ouch!
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[08:06] Yudai@ntt: good morning!
[08:06] Dr Nic: Helllooooo
[08:06] Jamie van Dyke (fearoffish): Morning!
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[08:07] Scott Frederick morphed into Scott Frederick@Pivotal
[08:07] Dug-FF: FYI - to speak please use the speaker's queue - the hand on the right side under the member list. Or +q via the xmpp interface.
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[08:09] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: how to use the hand?
[08:09] Dan Lavine morphed into Dan Lavine@IBM
[08:09] Jamie van Dyke (fearoffish): When it comes to Q&A you click it and wait, I think
[08:09] Chris Ferris (IBM): at the bottom of the list of members is a hand icon
[08:09] Chris Ferris (IBM): click that
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[08:09] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: done
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[08:10] Chris Ferris (IBM): there you go
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[08:10] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: queue = wait?
[08:10] James Bayer1: Cloud Foundry Incubator description: https://docs.google.com/a/gopivotal.com/document/d/1dBVHfXZjdZqVLeTOrrXiUqH2h6EWOjstCk3a1SE5TZc/edit
[08:10] Dug-FF: Frans-Thamura - did you have a question/comment or just testing?
[08:10] Dug-FF: to lower your hand, press the 'hand' button again
[08:10] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: i tought to introduce my self, should raise hand
[08:10] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: Quality is pretty poor for me, how is it for everyone else?
[08:11] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: Frans - I think introductions are for CAB members right now
[08:11] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: what is CAB?
[08:11] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: ok, i will wait
[08:11] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: The CloudFoundry Advisory Board
[08:11] James Watters: CAB = community advisory board
[08:11] Jason Anderson@IBM: Community Advisory Board
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[08:11] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: first time in thissystem
[08:11] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: or that
[08:12] AdrianColyer@Pivotal: See http://blog.cloudfoundry.com/2013/09/08/combining-voice-with-velocity-thru-the-cloud-foundry-community-advisory-board/
[08:12] Chris Ferris (IBM): I was just about to paste that link, thanks Adrian
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[08:13] James Bayer1: i created a bit.ly for the incubator doc for reference in the future: http://bit.ly/cfincubator
[08:13] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: I'm recording the call if you need it
[08:14] James Watters: Adrian's intro was too humble, he was also one of the founders of Springsource and CTO there where they built a 3M developer strong OSS community
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[08:14] andypiper: Adrian is British, we do humble :-P
[08:14] Dug-FF: *6 to unmute/mute
[08:14] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: I'll put the call up on DropBox if anyone is interested
[08:14] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: unless we have another method
[08:14] jeff@activestate: no objections to recording
[08:14] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: Oh yeah, I should ask permission :)
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[08:15] Dug-FF: "on dropbox"? can you elaborate?
[08:15] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: +1 for recording so we can use and replay
[08:15] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: I will share it over the Internet, but it looks like we have an official method
[08:15] JoshuaMcKenty: Sorry I'm late
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[08:17] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: Much better without background noise. Thank you.
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[08:17] Chris Ferris (IBM): see the link above
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[08:19] Chris Ferris (IBM): anyone who has a question, please feel free to raise your hand (little hand icon below the members list) and I will call on you
[08:19] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: I will be in listening mode, my work related to cloud education, I dont think this is the topic here
[08:20] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: first time, so need guidance ;)
[08:21] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: Don't worry, Frans. This is a first time for all of us.
[08:21] JoshuaMcKenty: Love me the smoke-filled rooms, though
[08:21] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: Well, for the call.
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[08:24] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): github.com/cloudfoundry-community/
[08:24] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): https://github.com/cloudfoundry-community/
[08:24] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: apache is foundation, openstack is foundation, will cloudfoundry follow the same way? because the incubator model like both
[08:25] Dug-FF: https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator
[08:25] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dBVHfXZjdZqVLeTOrrXiUqH2h6EWOjstCk3a1SE5TZc/edit# - James & co, this looks great
[08:26] Dug-FF: https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator/ibm-admin-ui - this is for v2/ng
[08:27] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): Dug - awesome
[08:28] Chris Ferris (IBM): @drnic agreed - though I might like to see a path to getting other decision-makers for the strategy and technical reviews from other community members
[08:30] jeff@activestate: the Strategy and Technical review imposes a control point by Pivotal still
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[08:31] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): How do I talk?
[08:31] jeff@activestate: *6
[08:32] Wayne E. Seguin @ SNW: Community driven direction and acceptance does seem best to get to.
[08:32] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: First time I've seen Dr Nic have trouble talking.
[08:32] Dug-FF: LOL
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[08:32] Brian McClain (WMG): ouchhhhh :)
[08:33] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: Just in case any of you think I was being rude, I work with Dr Nic :)
[08:33] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: haha ;) Dr Nic = bad boss???
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[08:34] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: Dr Nic is brilliant. Not sure what he's like as a boss though ;)
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[08:35] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): "Cloud Foundry Contribute and Code Standards" doc is not public yet
[08:36] Wayne E. Seguin @ SNW: So the process is: 1. email overview / proposal to vcap-dev to kickoff discussions 2. CAB discussions 3. Strategy review from Pivotal, 4. Technical review from Pivotal, 5. ... profit???
[08:36] Colin@Cloud Credo: Rather than anger the unmuting gods - who will be responsible for maintaining accepted projects/code on an ongoing basis? Pivotal, the project originator, or no one?
[08:36] Chris Ferris (IBM): @colin good Q
[08:37] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: Question: Are there certain types of project that would not be considered? Maybe ones that conflict with Pivotal's commercial products/strategy?
[08:37] Wayne E. Seguin @ SNW: There should be some level of guarantee of turnaround time of communications. Eg. a project should not get blocked due to lack of communications flows. How could these be unblocked if this happened etc.
[08:37] Dug-FF: colin - ask on the call - join the queue
[08:37] Dug-FF: @Jamie - I hope not
[08:37] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: i am interesting with tutorial doc, will CF have it? ref: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/training-guide/content/bk001-associate-training-guide.html
[08:37] AdrianColyer@Pivotal: One of the changes over time, that we are hoping the CAB will help with, is that 'CF Engineering team' and commiters on top-level projects != Pivotal (as new commiters come on board and new top-level projects get promoted)
[08:39] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): Colin: there are @cloudfoundry org projects that aren't maintained now; the ruby CLI for example
[08:39] Colin@Cloud Credo: thanks JW, we're dialled in via a hangout and it's crashed a couple of times
[08:40] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: +1 JAmie, any release strategy between CF.org and CF commercial? -> bad experience with Java and OpenJDK, :)
[08:40] James Watters: I think its important for people to understand that IBM will be leading this project and accepting pull-requests, contributions etc
[08:41] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: James Watters, still learning IBM positioning in CF..
[08:41] James Watters: Important to also note that incubator projects are covered by the Cloud Foundry CLA, and a CLA is required to send pull requests there
[08:41] Chris Ferris (IBM): yes, exactly
[08:41] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: James - were you talking about the incubator project, or the admin-ui one specifically?
[08:42] Dug-FF: Do we have that CLA-checker-bot running for the incubator projects ?
[08:42] James Watters: I'm talking about the admin-ui, but also general rules for incubators
[08:42] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: Thanks
[08:43] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): FWIW https://github.com/cloudfoundry/cf-services-contrib-release is on core project primarily maintained by non-Pivotal people
[08:43] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): s/is on/is one/
[08:43] James Bayer@Pivotal: one thing i should have made clear - cloudfoundry-incubator is covered by the Cloud Foundry CLA
[08:44] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): JamesB - link to current CLA?
[08:44] Chris Ferris (IBM): I will make that point, thanks
[08:44] James Bayer@Pivotal: corporate contributor: http://www.cloudfoundry.org/assets/corpcontribution.pdf
[08:44] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): Also perhaps add link to CLA in CF Incubator doc
[08:44] James Bayer@Pivotal: individual contributor: http://www.cloudfoundry.org/assets/individualcontribution.pdf
[08:45] Brian McClain (WMG): random q that I think I know the answer to: If we've submitted a pre-Pivotal CLA, I assume we would be required to submit a new one?
[08:45] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): JB, thx
[08:46] James Watters: Brian: you do not need to re-submit, all of those contracts were transferred to Pivotal as part of our creation, we are a spin out, not a brand new, etc.
[08:46] Brian McClain (WMG): brilliant :)
[08:47] Chris Ferris (IBM): http://cloudfoundry.org/
[08:50] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: I think CF.org community work like JCP.org in Java world, community work in OpenJDK, and ORacle create propietary Java SDK , there is JSR agreement also to create new JSR, like CF project , can I think like this?
[08:50] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): Sounds good
[08:50] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: Agreed.
[08:50] James Watters: Thankfully for IBM's help in .org, important for others to jump in, we need to grow the Wiki
[08:50] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): Hard to get verbal "nods of agreement" when you need to *6 to do so :D
[08:51] Brian McClain (WMG): nods
[08:51] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): JamesB, "Cloud Foundry Contribute and Code Standards" doc is currently private.
[08:51] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: can we have a mailing list for this kind of discussion, vcap-dev and bosh-dev sound strange name for this
[08:52] jeff@activestate: frans - for CAB discussion, or other general discussion?
[08:52] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: jeff, anything, my recommendation, which i recommend to openstack, now openstack have openstack general, openstack-community, and my new proposal openstack-education
[08:53] AdrianColyer@Pivotal: Q for all: what's the one thing the CF project could do that would make the biggest positive impact for you right now?
[08:53] Dug@ibm: +1 keep one list for now
[08:54] Renat @ Altoros: Does it make sense to consolidate most documents about CAB, governance of the project, CAB mailing list, project documentation, blog hosted on http://cloudfoundry.org?
[08:54] jeff@activestate: Vote button is at the top
[08:54] Chris Ferris (IBM): keep discussion on vcap-dev yes or no (1) Yes (2) No This is a single choice vote.
[08:54] James Watters: open to changing lists, easy to create more but then hard to pull them back together again later, so seems like people want to keep it the same for now.
[08:54] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne) voted for: Yes
[08:54] Ted Young: Ted Young voted for: Yes
[08:54] Kris Kobylinski@IBM: Kris Kobylinski@IBM voted for: Yes
[08:54] AdrianColyer@Pivotal: AdrianColyer@Pivotal voted for: Yes
[08:55] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): Renat, perhaps a "Governance" top level on cloudfoudry.org
[08:55] Dug-FF: Dug-FF voted for: Yes
[08:55] Michael Behrendt@IBM: Michael Behrendt@IBM voted for: Yes
[08:55] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: 2 No. because vcap is strange name, we need "Cloudfoundry" general rather vcap
[08:55] Adam Gunther @IBM: Adam Gunther @IBM voted for: Yes
[08:55] Yudai@ntt: Yudai@ntt voted for: Yes
[08:55] Brian McClain (WMG): Brian McClain (WMG) voted for: Yes - perhaps until traffic becomes to the point where there's too much noise for one mailing list
[08:55] Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne: Jamie van Dyke@StarkandWayne voted for: Yes
[08:55] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): I think technical aspects can stay on *-dev list.
[08:55] frans-thamura@meruvian/cf-id: I lose ;) heheh ;)
[08:55] jeff@activestate: jeff@activestate voted for: Yes - Until the noise level becomes too high
[08:55] Dug-FF: Wayne voted for: No - New List (submitted by: Dug-FF)
[08:55] Dr Nic (StarkAndWayne): "Wayne Seguin"
[08:55] simon @IBM: simon @IBM voted for: Yes
[08:55] Manuel@Altoros: Manuel@Altoros voted for: Yes
[08:55] James Bayer@Pivotal: James Bayer@Pivotal voted for: Yes
[08:56] Albert Choi@Savvis: Albert Choi@Savvis abstains
[08:56] anonymous morphed into Matthew Kocher @ Pivotal
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