Monero Community Workgroup Meeting: Jun 21st 16:00 UTC

[plowsof]

Location: Libera.chat, #monero-community | Matrix

Instructions for joining the monero.social Matrix server.

Time
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Moderator: plowsof

Please reach out in advance of the meeting if you would like to propose an agenda item.

Proposed Meeting Items:

1. Introduction
2. Greetings
3. Community highlights
   News: Monero Observer - Revuo Monero - Monero Moon
   • visit https://Monerokon.org , links for live stream. https://schedule.monerokon.org/
4. CCS updates
   a. Monero Network Simulation Tool
   b. CCS Proposal: Monero Privacy Anthem & Global Album Campaign – Bobby Bull Run
   c. hinto-janai full-time development (3 months)
   d. acx-monfluo-maintenance-and-further-development-2
5. Workgroup reports
   a. Dev workgroup
   b. Localization workgroup
   c. Outreach workgroup
   d. Events workgroup - MoneroKon 2025
   e. Website workgroup
   f. Policy workgroup
   g. Research workgroup
   h. Seraphis Migration workgroup
6. Open ideas time
7. Confirm next meeting date/time

Previous meeting including logs

Meeting logs will be posted here afterwards.

[plowsof]

<plowsof> an informal gathering of those that happen to be here begins #1224

<plowsof> Monerokon Day 2 has finished , full schedule available here https://cfp.twed.org/mk5/schedule/

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Gm

<plowsof> FCMP++ TODO list items being worked on @ https://github.com/seraphis-migration/monero/pulls

<plowsof> https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/

<plowsof> Danbob shared the invidious link of monerokon day 1 live stream @ https://invidious.privacyredirect.com/watch?v=MWCTcerko_s

<plowsof> https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ - still no fans of bobbybull runs marketing proposal

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Close

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/590

<n1oc> [CCS Proposals] plowsoff closed merge request #590: CCS Proposal: Monero Privacy Anthem & Global Album Campaign – Bobby Bull Run https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/590

<plowsof> https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ 🙏

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/589

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ginger, network simulation.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> MRL didnt decide on this yet. 0xfffc is away for a few days, and ruck was going to reach out to the shadow project

<rucknium:monero.social> I have reached out: ethereum/ethshadow#25

<plowsof> thank you

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/592

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Acx - monfluo maintenance & dev

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrn vote: just 3 days old, should be left up for some more feedback /exposure etc

<plowsof> previous ccs completed here https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/557

<plowsof> c. hinto-janai full-time development (3 months)

<plowsof> cuprate 🦀 / FCMP++ 50/50 split

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> says time split aprox 50:50 with fcmp integration stuff

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> yeah

<plowsof> fresh and up for feedback. thats pretty much it

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Day 2 of monerkon fin. Doug is at porcfest with monerotopia

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> fcmp is delayed another 6 months /s

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (need to feed chatgpt some fud)

<plowsof> does anyone have an invidious link of "Monero’s FCMP+ Upgrade Status with Diego Salazar of Cypher Stack | EPI 353"? good watch . and SGP gave a related talk at the end of Day 1 discussing MAGIC including FCMP++ related audits (touching on veradise + cypherstack)

<rucknium:monero.social> AFAIK, the LLMs do pull from libera.monerologs

<rucknium:monero.social> because BCH people referenced Monero logs when discussing an LLM-generated summary of the Clover paper

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> lol. Its a pandemic

<rucknium:monero.social> > The LLMs also seem to really be latching on to a few casual mentions by Monero researchers indicating that Clover seems better, but they want to wait for more analysis before advocating for a switch from Dandelion++ to Clover.

<rucknium:monero.social> https://bitcoincashresearch.org/t/chip-2025-01-dandelion-integration-for-bitcoin-cash/1472/9

<rucknium:monero.social> Mentions are about to get much less casual

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> zano says dandelion is privacy theater

<rucknium:monero.social> I have a quote for that, too

<plowsof> ah, the zano-de-anon page

<rucknium:monero.social> 13:32 minute of Chainalysis leaked video:

<clipped message> > So this was a really big challenge for us because a lot of how we do our Monero tracing involves IP observations of things like services...Dandelion has made that impossible...The big thing to know is that Dandelion was implemented in October 2020. And so anything that occurred after that time, the IP observations that we collect are gonna be much, much weaker. They're gonna be

<rucknium:monero.social> much lower confidence.

<17lifers:matrix.org> thats a win :3

<rucknium:monero.social> Dandelion++ isn't perfect. Watch the "Defeating Spy Nodes on the Monero Network" talk by boog900 and I, voiced by xenu, for analysis of possible complementary technology: https://cfp.twed.org/mk5/talk/AE7CWF/

<rucknium:monero.social> Tomorrow at 13:300 UTC

<plowsof> 👏

<rucknium:monero.social> 13:30*

<plowsof> https://cfp.twed.org/mk5/talk/AE7CWF/

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> its not perfect, i know. But i use tx-proxy and anonymous-inbound on tor and i2p, so my node is as close to perfect as monero can be without also having p2p blockchain over anonymitiy networks

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> None of my own tx are stemmed from my own node, and my node stems other peoples txs, even if i dont have incoming clearnet connections

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Using tor+i2p at the same time has resulted in near perfect reliability

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So i find zano's response a bit.. questionable, at best. Dandelion does work to disassociate a tx from an ip. It does not prevent isp spying. Tor+i2p does though, and has great reliability when used simultaneously

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Almost forgot (repost):

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> > Please review this PR for the awaiting approval/approved/rejected message for bot monerobot/monerobot#11 since before have added the image removal and rejected states

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> This is for bounties.monero.social

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> TIA

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Smh, its merged. Ignore me

<plowsof> stealth merge, pigeons has to deploy it so reviews are always helpful

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @plowsof, it it live/working?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Okok thanks

<plowsof> i think we can disperse if theres nothing major, i know what talk ill be watching tomorrow at 13:30 UTC

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Which?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (Jk), ruckniums

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Watch the "Defeating Spy Nodes on the Monero Network" talk by boog900 and I, voiced by xenu, for analysis of possible complementary technology: https://cfp.twed.org/mk5/talk/AE7CWF/

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Tomorrow at 13:30 UTC

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> It's real darn good

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> the contrast between how Monero deals with spy nodes and Zano is glaring

<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Zano = we dont do network privacy at all

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> Just use a VPN ;)

<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Bitcoin: we offer very good network privacy, with torcontrol and i2psam support built in

<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Monero: we offer very good transaction relay privacy protections with dandelion, and even better with tx-proxy. Block sync privacy is not prioritized, but also not related to tx privacy

<ofrnxmr:monero.social> Better: use exclusive connections to our nodes

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> the only thing monero lacks is the encryption with an isp.

<lordx3nu:matrix.org> something like BIP 324

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> monero-project/monero#8996 ?