Wrong genders in Romanian

[jonnyGitHub57]

Describe the bug
When tokenizing neuter words in Romanian, they are tagged as "Gender=Masc"

To Reproduce
Analyze a sentence such as "Sistemul este foarte bun". The neuter noun "sistem" appears as:

Input sentence: Sistemul este foarte bun
[
[
{
"id": 1,
"text": "Sistemul",
"lemma": "sistem",
"upos": "NOUN",
"xpos": "Ncmsry",
"feats": "Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing",
"head": 4,
"deprel": "nsubj",
"start_char": 0,
"end_char": 8
},
{

Expected behavior
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Environment (please complete the following information):

• OS: [e.g. Windows, Ubuntu, CentOS, MacOS]
• Python version: [e.g. Python 3.6.8 from Anaconda]
• Stanza version: [e.g., 1.0.0]

Additional context
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[AngledLuffa]

When I look for that word in the training data, it is labeled Gender=Masc in both of the bigger Romanian treebanks:

[john@localhost UD_Romanian-RRT]$ grep Sistemul  *conllu | grep -v "# text"
ro_rrt-ud-test.conllu:1 Sistemul        sistem  NOUN    Ncmsry  Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing       2       nsubj   _       _
ro_rrt-ud-train.conllu:29       Sistemul        sistem  NOUN    Ncmsry  Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing       27      nmod    _       _
ro_rrt-ud-train.conllu:15       Sistemul        sistem  NOUN    Ncmsry  Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing       12      nmod    _       _
ro_rrt-ud-train.conllu:1        Sistemul        sistem  NOUN    Ncmsry  Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing       7       nsubj:pass      _      _
ro_rrt-ud-train.conllu:1        Sistemul        sistem  NOUN    Ncmsry  Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing       7       nsubj   _       _

[john@localhost UD_Romanian-SiMoNERo]$ grep Sistemul  *conllu | grep -v "# text"
ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:1   Sistemul        sistem  NOUN    Ncmsry  Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing   7       nsubj   _       _
ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:11  Sistemul        sistem  NOUN    Ncmsry  Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing   9       nmod    _       _
ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:29  Sistemul        sistem  NOUN    Ncmsry  Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing   27      obl:agent       _       _
ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:40  Sistemul        sistem  NOUN    Ncmsry  Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing   29      conj    _       _
ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:1   Sistemul        sistem  NOUN    Ncmsry  Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing   3       nsubj   _       _

[jonnyGitHub57]

Dear John, Many thanks for you fast reply. I almost suspected something like that. BR, /Jonny 20 januari 2025, 00:16 centraleuropeisk normaltid, skrev John ***@***.***>:

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When I look for that word in the training data, it is labeled Gender=Masc in both of the bigger Romanian treebanks: ***@***.*** UD_Romanian-RRT]$ grep Sistemul *conllu | grep -v "# text" ro_rrt-ud-test.conllu:1 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 2 nsubj _ _ ro_rrt-ud-train.conllu:29 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 27 nmod _ _ ro_rrt-ud-train.conllu:15 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 12 nmod _ _ ro_rrt-ud-train.conllu:1 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 7 nsubj:pass _ _ ro_rrt-ud-train.conllu:1 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 7 nsubj _ _ ***@***.*** UD_Romanian-SiMoNERo]$ grep Sistemul *conllu | grep -v "# text" ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:1 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 7 nsubj _ _ ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:11 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 9 nmod _ _ ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:29 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 27 obl:agent _ _ ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:40 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 29 conj _ _ ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:1 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 3 nsubj _ _ — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#1449 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AXUYLO2EVKLYV57WZ2BXSDT2LQW6BAVCNFSM6AAAAABVO2SSTOVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDMMBRGA3DCOJXGI>. You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[jonnyGitHub57]

Dear John, I found this information on Romanian UD <https://universaldependencies.org/ro/index.html> that it is on purpose that "neute gender" are not used for nouns. Nominal Features * Nominal words (NOUN <https://universaldependencies.org/u/pos/NOUN.html>,PROPN <https://universaldependencies.org/u/pos/PROPN.html>andPRON <https://universaldependencies.org/u/pos/PRON.html>) have an inherentGender <https://universaldependencies.org/u/feat/Gender.html>feature with one of two values:MascorFem. The neuter is in Romanian classified as masculine singular and feminine plural. * The following parts of speech inflect forGenderbecause they must agree with nouns:ADJ <https://universaldependencies.org/u/pos/ADJ.html>,DET <https://universaldependencies.org/u/pos/DET.html>,NUM <https://universaldependencies.org/u/pos/NUM.html>,VERB <https://universaldependencies.org/u/pos/VERB.html>,AUX <https://universaldependencies.org/u/pos/AUX_.html>. For verbs (including auxiliaries), only participles have gender. Den måndag 20 januari 2025 kl. 09:33:10 +01:00, skrev ***@***.***>:

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Dear John, Many thanks for you fast reply. I almost suspected something like that. BR, /Jonny 20 januari 2025, 00:16 centraleuropeisk normaltid, skrev John ***@***.***>: > > When I look for that word in the training data, it is labeled Gender=Masc in both of the bigger Romanian treebanks: > ***@***.*** UD_Romanian-RRT]$ grep Sistemul *conllu | grep -v "# text" > ro_rrt-ud-test.conllu:1 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 2 nsubj _ _ > ro_rrt-ud-train.conllu:29 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 27 nmod _ _ > ro_rrt-ud-train.conllu:15 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 12 nmod _ _ > ro_rrt-ud-train.conllu:1 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 7 nsubj:pass _ _ > ro_rrt-ud-train.conllu:1 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Acc,Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 7 nsubj _ _ > ***@***.*** UD_Romanian-SiMoNERo]$ grep Sistemul *conllu | grep -v "# text" > ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:1 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 7 nsubj _ _ > ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:11 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 9 nmod _ _ > ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:29 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 27 obl:agent _ _ > ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:40 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 29 conj _ _ > ro_simonero-ud-train.conllu:1 Sistemul sistem NOUN Ncmsry Case=Nom|Definite=Def|Gender=Masc|Number=Sing 3 nsubj _ _ > > — > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#1449 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AXUYLO2EVKLYV57WZ2BXSDT2LQW6BAVCNFSM6AAAAABVO2SSTOVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDMMBRGA3DCOJXGI>. > You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: ***@***.***> >

[AngledLuffa]

Is the conclusion that there's nothing to be done? It would basically require an overhaul of the dataset or a special case of some kind for Romanian

[jonnyGitHub57]

No, there is nothing to do since it seems to be a consious decision to not have neuter gender in the UD. Thanks for the reminder, /Jonny

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On Monday, 24 March 2025 at 22:00:38 +01:00, John Bauer ***@***.***> wrote: Is the conclusion that there's nothing to be done? It would basically require an overhaul of the dataset or a special case of some kind for Romanian — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#1449 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AXUYLO6E7X7S3V5E3MR5POL2WBW7NAVCNFSM6AAAAABVO2SSTOVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDONBZGM4DIMJUHE>. You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: ***@***.***>AngledLuffaAngledLuffa left a comment (stanfordnlp/stanza#1449) <#1449 (comment)> Is the conclusion that there's nothing to be done? It would basically require an overhaul of the dataset or a special case of some kind for Romanian — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#1449 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AXUYLO6E7X7S3V5E3MR5POL2WBW7NAVCNFSM6AAAAABVO2SSTOVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZDONBZGM4DIMJUHE>. You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: ***@***.***>